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Origin of our species by airagorncharda Origin of our species by airagorncharda
This hit me like a ton of bricks. I'm still feeling a little nauseous after this realization.

Can be found on tumblr here: [link]

[EDIT] IN MY DEFENSE:

Hopefully some of the angry archaeologists on tumblr will see this comment, since tumblr isn't good at allowing for conversation that will reach everyone you want it to, so here goes: I AM NOT TRYING TO INSULT ARCHAEOLOGY, oh my god, it was a joke and I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I literally took a funny quote I like from a comedian for comedic effect. As in, exaggerating the truth into humor. Archaeology is awesome, and I don't think that archaeologists actually believe this anymore. I have been informed that they stopped accepting this theory in the 70's and that's awesome. The problem is that it's still being taught in some schools. That's the problem. Not archaeology.

Also, for the record, I actually DID do a fair amount of research before making this comic, it seems I just articulated myself poorly about archaeology and chimpanzees. Chimps are not friendly creatures. I'm not saying that they are. I'm saying that they aren't known for kidnapping and raping the females from other chimp groups. I'm not saying they don't do awful things, just that they don't do THAT awful thing in particular.

I'm not saying our ancestors didn't rape, I'm saying rape was HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be the primary form of procreation.

Chimps don't have sex for fun, that's only bonobos. Bonobos have sex for everything, pretty much.

Also, I'm a dude. It is in fact possible for dudes to be feminists, jesus fucking christ.

[EDIT #2] MY SOURCES
bonobos: [link]
chimps: [link]
comedy: [link]
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kiamara Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014
History textbooks tend to be incredibly biased anyways. My mother was reading one of my history books when I was still in Highschool and she said most of that had changed since she was in school in the 60's and 70's. 
Since we change our minds so much about history so often I think its important to put things in our own perspective.

One thing I learned in art class is that tribes in Australia were named after the different kinds of ochre that they made in they're area. To help distinguish the families lines and apparently to help prevent incest the marriage was arranged very early on in that child's life. These tribes families were and still are quite complicated but they've been doing that for a long time in human history
This was learned from the book called : "Color , a Natural History of the Pallet" by Victoria Finlay.

I'm not sure if I remember it correctly so you might want to read more into that but that's were I got that bit of info from.
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pokekidcanada Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014
DAMN. I don't even believe in evolution but even I can see that flaw D: damn.
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SweetCyanidetea Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2014
Hey, I am studying archaeology and I can tell you that what you have been taught is shockingly wrong and inmature. Sometimes archaeology seems to say a lot about how society was before we became "homo sapiens sapiens" but the results are based on analysis that anyone can understand, if they know what to search.

One good example is "Ethnoarchaeology" a branch of the mother science that tries to explain how proto humans should have lived by watching modern societies. A lot like what you did with the chimpanzees and bonobos(there are similar studies with them too) but with people that live in different conditions.  There are men who still carve knives from stone and hunt and gather,and many archaeologists study their relations to try and shed light to our past.

It is true that you should never take a study like its the absolute truth, but you should definitely read about what you are interested in, mostly to help understand others that evolution is not the scary anti biblical story our schools want us to believe.

I took a practical class where we were handed volcanic glass and we had a teacher that explained how to hit the glass with a stone and a tool we had to make ourselves -a chisel of cow bone that was homework and took a couple of weeks to be fully done- to make it break and "sculpt it" like we wanted, thus trying to make tools to cut like our ancesters did.

Archaeology is not all about digging up bones and making up stuff about it, I do regret to say that there is a lot of professionals that follow that path, but it is us who need to educate ourselves to separate those who write bone fiction and those who actually investigate and postulate valid theories.

There is a really cool book that can explain things even for those without the archaeological vocabulary or basic knowledge. www.amazon.com/Archaeology-The…
You can look it up in any library and you can learn amazing things that explain how is it that things survive to be found by archaeologists and how they can extract data from them.

Anyone can tell you that you take a bone and do the "carbon-14 test" and determinate the age of something someone found buried. But in that book you understand what is being messured, how and why. Have in mind you take pills when you are sick and don't know how they work , this is one of  the books that allows you to understand the process that archaeologists should use to try to understand events and people that took place so long ago.

I can tell you one last thing : there was a time were the rise of the homo sapiens was forged on the basis of a massive nearderthal killing.But trough a wide range of studies and findings now most archaelogists believe that in fact homo sapiens welcomed neanderthals into their tribes and helped them survive, being us the "homo sapiens sapiens" a direct result of that alliance.

So rest well and read a lot, new theories are here to make us understand that the origins of men are not violent, on the contrary we seem to have been some friendly neighbours who found the way to survive, to speak and to walk by taking care of each other.





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XaliberDeathlock Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
Thanks for the thorough and friendly explanation.
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SweetCyanidetea Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
Thank you for reading it
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Lokita-Naky Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It IS possible for dudes to be feminists, but the world sure needs a LOT more of those! Schools teaches a lot of outdated things, or they teach things the wrong way, or in an incomplete way... 
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Lokita-Naky Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
oops, wasn't done sorry...
I find that school systems aren't complete enough. They teach a lot of nothing, if you know what I mean. For all the information that would be possible for people to gain through proper schooling, we're not even at half that potential. I learnt more from personal research than I did at school, that's not right!
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AmethystForge Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014
I experienced a little of that in my education, so don't let ignoramuses make you think you're the only one.  Most of that "info" on cavemen though for me, came through comics and pop culture.  I'm very surprised at all the people here who are like "omg where's that from"....it's like...do you live in a society NOT steeped with jokes/comics/stories/movies about cavemen antics? Where is that magical place?
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PuffinPixel Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2013
I was never told that my ancestors raped each other to produce offspring, but I like the information in this post.
Although I do not like the kinda "only focus on female roles in society" as that tumblr user reblogged, I think this is a nice change to the "only females have it bad" and nearly no "Males have a pretty shitty stigma too".
Just... I absolutely LOVE it when people post an intellectual argument to disprove something they were told as "fact" in early life, when we are all gullible and naive.
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Piari Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2013
Mate, the fact that people are reblogging it doesn't mean that they learned the same thing in school. A couple of the folks I follow reblogged it, and when I asked them about their schools, they said that it had not come up in their school, but when they saw your comic they just assumed that "caveman rape" was the predominant theory among archaeologists. Basically, because you have put yourself out there in such a strong way, everyone's assuming you're some sort of expert. One of my friends actually assumed you're an archaeologist. Basically, the reason you're getting a lot of reblogs is not that loads of people are being taught about this at schools, it's that most of them they read this comic and believe what it says unquestioningly. 

Remember: when something goes on Tumblr, people like you and I will see it, have a laugh or rage, and move on... but it will also be seen by the kind of folks who genuinely believed that Yahoo was going to ban porn in its takeover a few months ago.

You clearly have a strong voice. Use it to spread truth and well-researched thoughts next time, please. 
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SpectralIris Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014
I learned this in school. Nice try. It depends on where you live, but our education system is bad. To think otherwise is foolishness.
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XaliberDeathlock Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
It's sad to hear that, but the world doesn't revolve around USA, my dear.
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Old-Marcie1234 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2013
:iconimhorrifiedplz: 
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014
nice emoticon
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evil-melody Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2013
very interesting indeed !
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2013
Thanks!
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NixKat Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very interesting.
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lui-ysia Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
uhh.... I wasn't taught the caveman rape hypothesis, but ok 0.0
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ScreampunkArts Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Professional General Artist
Makes you wonder about modern education, doesn't it.
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BrYttBRatt Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013
*Reads the edit in your artist's comments* Uh oh...do I even want to read the earlier comments? I'm familiar enough with internet hissy fits.
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
Mostly it's about a 50/50 split on tumblr of people saying "SCREW YOU EVERYONE KNOWS CAVEMEN DIDN'T RAPE CAVEWOMEN ALL THE TIME" and people saying "SCREW YOU FOR TRYING TO COVER UP HISTORY, OF COURSE CAVEMEN RAPED CAVEWOMEN A LOT, YOU LIAR" so.... I'm not really sure what to do about that except try to point them at each other and say "please hash this out amongst yourselves."
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ladyreleena Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013
this is very interesting, I was never taught that theory of caveman rape, didn't know of its existence
I liked this a lot and I think it is clear that the intention is humorous but partly serious as well
Great job!
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
Thank you very much!
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likelycreatures Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
oh i love this, brilliant and in depth!
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
Thank you very much!
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KevNC Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013
"the skyrocketing number of notes the comic on tumblr is getting (so far it's passed 50,000 since Saturday) suggest otherwise."

I love that people seriously use "I'm not an idiot and this isn't stupid because a lot of reblogs on tumblr!" to rationalize just making things up. 'No, ok well... maybe *I* never was taught that but... but these social justice blogs are totally vouched for it!'
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SpectralIris Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014
I was taught about the rape thing, too. but I'm obviously making it up because YOU didn't learn it.
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013
I WAS taught it. I didn't make shit up, I don't know why you think I did. I'm not using reblogs as validation, I'm saying that if a lot of people are reblogging it, then a lot of people are getting something worthwhile out of it.
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GardenerJames99 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013
Where the hell are children taught "We all came from caveman rape"? Where are you social justice kids going to school at?
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SpectralIris Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014
Oklahoma, for me. But hey, because YOU must not have experienced it, people must be making it up and are just SJWs.
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GardenerJames99 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014
It doesn't hurt the theory that it sounds like something someone heard one incarnation of and then deliberately exaggerated to prove a point.

Surely this widespread and heavily taught factoid must have some presence on the internet, why don't you do me a solid and go find me something. REALLY show me I don't know what I'm talking about and you were right all along.
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SpectralIris Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014
I wish I could show you my old schoolbooks, but obviously I don't have them anymore as I graduated a few years ago. The fact that there are multiple people who can report this--and yes, I am a stranger to the person who made this, check my history if need be--shows that it is happening in some places. Is it everywhere? No. No one is claiming that.

But you are insisting it DOESN'T happen. It does. I lived it, the artist lived it, others lived it. Count yourself lucky you didn't.
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GardenerJames99 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014
But how the fuck is there not a single shred of this outside of "those schoolbooks", is what I'm asking you. Right wingers fucking love re-writing history and nature, they have entire museums dedicated to it.  How the fuck is this one thing coincidentally confined to very specific-but-still-totally-widespread textbooks? That sounds like some shit they'd have entire websites and CHick Tracts dedicated to, but it's coincidentally just in a book that by sheer fate only a handful of people have or will see, but everyone else is expected to just roll with it JUST CUZ YOU DIDN'T SEE IT AND I CAN'T PROVE IT DOESN'T MEAN I'M LYING!!!?
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Akumu74 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Absolute brilliance.
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013
Thank you!
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gudruna Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013
this is brilliant
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013
Thank you!
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Akumu74 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
We both have monkey icons...We should befriend one another.
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Jfdp13 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2013  Student General Artist
Welcome to modern education
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013
yeaaaah
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Crack-Montage Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2013   Digital Artist
OK so here's some constructive criticism for you.

The evolutionary and biological 'origin of our species' is great fun to think about but it is NOT the same as the origin of the current problems in modern society.

Drawing attention to the fact that archeologists think neanderthals raped each other and suggesting that this is in any way more significant to rape culture than the fact that ducks rape each other is simply reinforcing the idea that our animal instincts are something that we should actually consider to be a factor contributing anything concrete to the current state of modern society and rape culture. Rape culture is something that actually exists IMO and is basically defined by stuff like sexism making rape seem more okay.

Basically what I'm saying is, anyone who actually thinks rape is more acceptable today because neanderthals did it has bigger problems, and its really not going to do shit to tell them that they shouldn't rape people because its not necessarily true that neanderthals did.

This comic infers that archeology itself is directly suggesting that our genetics and evolution is contributing if not somewhat to blame for why "rape culture" is a problem today. Regardless of whether or not that is true, archeology simply isn't suggesting that because its archeology. Even anthropology and social sciences aren't focused on how society SHOULD be functioning, . But instead of simply saying the simple truth about whether or not neanderthals raped each other which is that its theoretical and shouldn't be treated as something that directly impacts the way people think about rape today, it kinda jumps the gun to say that its just not true because obviously we were all born with pure souls that were incapable of rape and the origin of our species didn't rape anyone, society is to blame.

This is reinforcing the same essentialist viewpoint on society and modern culture based on our evolution that is the only reason why it would actually matter if neanderthals did rape each other. If you WERE going to blame evolution for the existence of rape today, you might as well say its because of the evolutionary ancestors of ducks which rape each other more than any other species.

If anything, society IS to blame, but not for creating rape OR corrupting the origin of our species. Its to blame for not doing enough about it. Rape is MUCH less of a problem than it was 500 years ago or 50,000 years ago if for no other reason than that you can put someone in jail for it.

Basically this is misinterpreting a theory as something that justifies rape and saying that the theory itself doesn't exist rather than that it doesn't justify rape. Aren't we past this shit?

I could say way more about this but if I haven't made my point by now I fear we're just not on the same level. Nothing justifies rape, so to reiterate that something that might justify it isn't verifiable simply reinforces the idea that rape can somehow be justified.

If you actually want to get into some evolutionary biology, I have some recommended reading, but I don't expect you to be enthusiastic about it based on what I'm about to tell you. This book reviews some studies which show that rape increases fertility and the chance of conception in women. This is considered to be fact. Interestingly, the theory is the same as the one in your comic - this trait evolved to prevent inbreeding. The book is called "sperm wars".

Obviously we've figured out some better ways to prevent inbreeding, but maybe the patriarchy is secretly trying to make more babies? The real question is, why does it matter? NOTHING JUSTIFIES RAPE - except for *cognitive vulnerability* in the individuals mind (might be worth looking up)
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
Modern society is not based on the origins of our species; the origins or our species is irrelevant to how we act today. That said, how we TEACH OUR CHILDREN that our species originated has an affect on how they view the world. Teaching children that rape was the sole way that our ancestors procreated and thus the only reason we exist perpetuates rape culture. 

Archeologists actually stopped believing that our ancestors raped each other as the sole form of procreation in the 70's. The problem is that it's still being taught even though the experts in the field no longer believe it to be true. The book you're siting is controversial because some others in his field of work have claimed that several of the hypotheses in the book are not supported by scientific research. So I'm not actually going to give it any weight, since it's entirely possible it isn't even true.

I am not debated on whether or not rape occurred at that time. I'm not trying to gloss over the horrific parts of history. I'm certain that rape happened then, as our understanding of history implies that it did. However, our understanding of history actually implies that it did NOT happen as the sole form of procreation, or the sole way of avoiding incest, which is what some people are still being taught.
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Bumsy Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013
Um, chimps do very much rape. Dolphins do as well.
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SkyJaguar Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
"Um," what does that have to do with the point of the comic?
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Mistress-Maria Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013
like like like! patriarchal societies need to end
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Subtleinstrument Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013
Interesting. The history of archaeology, primatology, and anthropology is full of this kind of stuff.
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Naomi33 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2013
Wow, that's a really good argument. A whole new perspective backed up with facts. There's no doubt that some aspects we as humans have come a long way (yet in other's we have not), but I have a hard time believing that rape was the predominant method for procreation at that or any other time really.
As far as being a male feminist, that's great. People seriously need to get out of the mindset that all feminists are man-hating lesbians who want special rights over men.
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013
Definitely agreed.
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SkyJaguar Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2013
You are correct. I always thought that the stereotype about rapist cavemen was more of a reflection of modern Western male fantasies and repressed sexuality being projected onto prehistoric people. In other words, some modern guys just wish that that's how it was (or still is). It's also worth noting that throughout the animal kingdom, there are means of avoiding incest that does not involve attacking the female. And of course it is also worth noting that rape is not a way of avoiding incest (most cases of incest are rapes). BTW, I have a Master's degree in Anthropology. :)
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airagorncharda Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
I don't think it's about fantasies. Assuming that rape is a "western male fantasy" is actually problematic in it's own right. The problem, I think, it that we have a habit of trying to distance ourselves from the otherness of cultures that don't live the way we do. We see this today in the way that most urban based cultures refer to tribal and indigenous cultures as though they are less human, and/or less humane in their treatment of each other. In some cases this (less humane treatment of each other) may be true, in others it's the opposite. I think that the old white men who first came up with the idea just didn't second-guess their own biases, and assumed that humans who lived in caves when saber-toothed-tigers existed would be less civilized than we are now. 
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