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Buffy - Rant about Spike vs Angel by airagorncharda Buffy - Rant about Spike vs Angel by airagorncharda
I'm not saying Buffy is at fault--I'm not a person who would ever blame the victim, and that scene in the show was adequately horrifying and realistic. She could have definitely done some things differently to help prevent this situation though. She put herself in a bad situation, and confused the hell out of someone who was already confused. Not her fault, but not entirely his either.

My main issue is with the Angel-adoring fans who hate Spike.
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comlodge Mar 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lizard1Princess Mar 1, 2014  New member Hobbyist General Artist
And Spike gave her the fire back, how come no one remembers that.

The problem is Buffy met Angel when she was 16 and hormonal, and life and death situations weren't so easy for her, she was learning how to deal with everything, so there comes the handsome mysterious guy to the rescue, he never helped that much but he did something, so she just remembers the good part, without all the danger and the fighting and the rescuing, she would have got to know him better and realized that Angel with a soul is just dull and flat, because he has no personality, is like a trapped animal, can't show himself, when he doesn't have the soul he can be evil and has a personality, is more interesting, not much, but it is something. Also, he gets everything handed to him, all the help and all the chances he can ask for, and he always does the worst he can with it. On the other hand, Spike, with or without a soul, gets shut down, beaten, insulted, nobody ever gave him a chance until the seven season (when buffy starts to believe in him) and he does do the best he can with what he has, always manages to get up and be better. That is way, when comparing Angel to Spike, Spike is my hero and when of the best fictional characters I ever known. :) 
ChickInTheRedHat13 Feb 28, 2014  Student Writer
:icondesucraiplz: Thiiiiiiiiiiis.
Great view,so agree with you
*\o/* ITA. Well put. But one teeny, tiny itty-bitty thing. While BtVS is a well written, heck, spectacularly scripted television show, it is well, not a bible (thank goodness), nor a DIY manual on relationships, or even a strictly personal Joss Whedon POV. It I S TV at its best and under budget as presentation can be!
Don't Fret the Logic ;-)
Just want to say that I enjoyed reading your essay and that I don't get the Spike hate either. Personally, I like both Angel and Spike, but Spike - I  have to say - is my favorite hands down. What a character!

As for the hatred towards Spike, which some, but by no means, not most of the Buffy fandom has, I've come to the conclusion, that Buffy fans who find this mistreatment of the two main vampire characters fair, are simply not understanding the series, nor its premises. I don't mean this in an insulting way, although I can understand why this opinion would insult the Spike haters. Nevertheless, I 'm thinking that just like everybody doesn't get math, nor will everybody get the characters and their development in one of the world's best written TV-shows. 

Gosh, I know I sound so arrogant. You expressed how I feel much better!
nanaleonti Feb 13, 2014   Digital Artist
This this this this!
Reading-Wizard Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
First off, great art work,writing and thought processes behind the art work=amazing.  I lost the specific comment but you said something along the lines of a theory that being turned takes a persons' personality and amps it up.  You're right.  There's a line in Doplegangland where Angel implies exactly that but he realizes that 1)he'll be making himself look bad and 2)he'd be basically outing Willow before she even knows she gay.    While I think he's being a little selfish, even vampires have standards.  But to be fair, I knew Willow ended up with Tara before I saw that episode so it might be case of hindsight being 20-20 as to Willow's future partner.
Willow:It's horrible! That's me as a vampire? I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.
Buffy:Willow, just remember, a vampire's personality has nothing to do with the person it was.
Angel:Well, actually... That's a good point.

Second, I agree with you on how Angelus and soulless Spike's actions showed their true intentions.  Angelus was just plain mean and wanted to destroy people's:lives and more so their minds (case in point-Dru). While Spike went along with plans to conform to the group until the group wanted to do something really stupid like destroy the world or just did bad stuff when he was bored.  

I actually watched the shows in weird order: Angel years ago and Buffy last month.  I also re-watched Angel this last month too.  So I apologize if I come on too strong, it's just that all these thoughts are still fresh in my mind.
Thanks for the comment! Definitely not coming on too strong, I love discussing shows I'm passionate about. I definitely agree that doplegangland is a perfect example of showing that vampires are in fact still the people they were before being turned. 
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